Are you suggesting that the mere fact that Ukraine was buying military equipment from countries other than Russia (which was already equipping a rebel militia in the east of the country) was in itself a provocation?
The fact that several countries are now scrambling to deliver equipment for Ukraine's defence proves that Ukraine had not b…
Are you suggesting that the mere fact that Ukraine was buying military equipment from countries other than Russia (which was already equipping a rebel militia in the east of the country) was in itself a provocation?
The fact that several countries are now scrambling to deliver equipment for Ukraine's defence proves that Ukraine had not been properly armed in the first place. And yet Ukraine had requested to purchase some essential defence equipment, such as the Patriot missile defense system, but was turned down.
When you have US advisors on the ground arming the locals with weapons, it definitely is a provocation in light of the Kiev regime's moves towards NATO membership, which the USA backed.
If this was done outside of the context of NATO (neutrality) and without Americans, it would be a different story.
The purchase of high-tech weapons always involves the presence of foreign advisors for training. The same applies to the training of an army in modern combat techniques. The only alternative for Ukraine was to buy military equipment from Russia. A bit like Croatia buying equipment and seeking guidance from Serbia in the early 1990s.
In any case, why the Americans would have waited 14 years to consider Ukraine's application to join NATO remains to be explained.
This was not training in how to use advanced weapon systems that Ukraine had bought from the US like a fleet of modern fighter jets or an integrated air defense system or something like that.
This was the US advising and building up the operational capability of the Ukrainean armed forces as a whole which was rapidly expanding in size with the help of aid from the US and the US' European vassal states.
First the Ukraineans should not have behaved like fanatics (I am starting to suspect it's no coincidence that the SS choose Ukraineans specifically for their Einsatsgruppen) and should not have overthrown their diplomatically very wisely acting elected president in a US-backed coup.
In my opinion the fanatical elements among the Ukraineans (Which seems very common in the state security apparatus and the armed forces) are now getting exactly what they did order, even though of course the US (Whose ruling tribe has a deep hatred of Russia for ethnohistorical reasons) have also pushed Ukraine towards ordering what is now being delivered.
Ukraineans seem to have no understanding of geopolitics and are obviously clueless about diplomacy, there is only a fanatical nationalism that turns against any other european group the second that group no longer support whatever the Ukraineans want, looking at the history of Ukraine.
Of course I deplore the deaths of ordinary Ukrainean civilians - who the Russians actually are taking a lot of steps to not trying to kill given their doctrine and equipment - but as regards the fanatical regime in Kiev that is willing to use it's own citizens as human shields (I have seen many videos of Ukrainean howitzers set up and firing from residential areas) and also is willing to use a kind of reverse moral nuclear blackmailing technique towards the European public, the rest of Europe is better of with it destroyed.
150 US Army Florida National Guardsmen and associated other trainers were pulled out of Western Ukraine just prior to invasion, just as we were evacuating our embassy. We have been training them openly for years.
No, I think it's an open provocation, rather like you , yourself.
Which was the answer to the question.
Here's a summary of US/Ukr relations: we are far better at using you than you are at using us.
The Ukrainians had 30 years to get ready for this war.
They didn't.
They have been at war for 8 years, nope.
More provocations: per the OSCE the Ukrainian side dramatically increased it's shelling of separatist regions just prior to the war beginning, as well as move it's 60,000 best troops to the area, to face about 14,000 RU backed separatist militia.
You got played, DC played you, you Ukrainians are NOT INNOCENT, but a country run by Kleptocrats, gangsters, acting as our money laundering operation as well as getting involved in our USA politics.
You got in bed with the Democratic party to get rid of Trump, now predictably the Democratic party incited you to war with Russia, abandoned you to your fate and it's upon you. Your government incited war with Russia after being TOLD the USA wasn't coming, so either Zelensky is delusional or corrupt - probably both.
Ukrainians are as innocent as Afghans - you aren't.
Are you suggesting that the mere fact that Ukraine was buying military equipment from countries other than Russia (which was already equipping a rebel militia in the east of the country) was in itself a provocation?
The fact that several countries are now scrambling to deliver equipment for Ukraine's defence proves that Ukraine had not been properly armed in the first place. And yet Ukraine had requested to purchase some essential defence equipment, such as the Patriot missile defense system, but was turned down.
When you have US advisors on the ground arming the locals with weapons, it definitely is a provocation in light of the Kiev regime's moves towards NATO membership, which the USA backed.
If this was done outside of the context of NATO (neutrality) and without Americans, it would be a different story.
The purchase of high-tech weapons always involves the presence of foreign advisors for training. The same applies to the training of an army in modern combat techniques. The only alternative for Ukraine was to buy military equipment from Russia. A bit like Croatia buying equipment and seeking guidance from Serbia in the early 1990s.
In any case, why the Americans would have waited 14 years to consider Ukraine's application to join NATO remains to be explained.
This was not training in how to use advanced weapon systems that Ukraine had bought from the US like a fleet of modern fighter jets or an integrated air defense system or something like that.
This was the US advising and building up the operational capability of the Ukrainean armed forces as a whole which was rapidly expanding in size with the help of aid from the US and the US' European vassal states.
First the Ukraineans should not have behaved like fanatics (I am starting to suspect it's no coincidence that the SS choose Ukraineans specifically for their Einsatsgruppen) and should not have overthrown their diplomatically very wisely acting elected president in a US-backed coup.
In my opinion the fanatical elements among the Ukraineans (Which seems very common in the state security apparatus and the armed forces) are now getting exactly what they did order, even though of course the US (Whose ruling tribe has a deep hatred of Russia for ethnohistorical reasons) have also pushed Ukraine towards ordering what is now being delivered.
Ukraineans seem to have no understanding of geopolitics and are obviously clueless about diplomacy, there is only a fanatical nationalism that turns against any other european group the second that group no longer support whatever the Ukraineans want, looking at the history of Ukraine.
Of course I deplore the deaths of ordinary Ukrainean civilians - who the Russians actually are taking a lot of steps to not trying to kill given their doctrine and equipment - but as regards the fanatical regime in Kiev that is willing to use it's own citizens as human shields (I have seen many videos of Ukrainean howitzers set up and firing from residential areas) and also is willing to use a kind of reverse moral nuclear blackmailing technique towards the European public, the rest of Europe is better of with it destroyed.
150 US Army Florida National Guardsmen and associated other trainers were pulled out of Western Ukraine just prior to invasion, just as we were evacuating our embassy. We have been training them openly for years.
https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2022-02-10/florida-national-guard-task-force-gator-ukraine-training-russia-4937373.html
And you feel that the Ukrainian army should be trained only by Russians, who are already drilling the irredentist militias of Dombass?
No, I think it's an open provocation, rather like you , yourself.
Which was the answer to the question.
Here's a summary of US/Ukr relations: we are far better at using you than you are at using us.
The Ukrainians had 30 years to get ready for this war.
They didn't.
They have been at war for 8 years, nope.
More provocations: per the OSCE the Ukrainian side dramatically increased it's shelling of separatist regions just prior to the war beginning, as well as move it's 60,000 best troops to the area, to face about 14,000 RU backed separatist militia.
https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-22%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf?itok=63057
You got played, DC played you, you Ukrainians are NOT INNOCENT, but a country run by Kleptocrats, gangsters, acting as our money laundering operation as well as getting involved in our USA politics.
You got in bed with the Democratic party to get rid of Trump, now predictably the Democratic party incited you to war with Russia, abandoned you to your fate and it's upon you. Your government incited war with Russia after being TOLD the USA wasn't coming, so either Zelensky is delusional or corrupt - probably both.
Ukrainians are as innocent as Afghans - you aren't.
>>But at least we got rid of Trump !
BYE